Generational Struggle, Generational Healing

Mario and Wayne sit down with Kelsey Korvela, who 21 years ago walked into the Boise Rescue Mission as a homeless woman — not staff. Shaped by both parents' addiction and her own felony past, her turning point came when her father became the first in the family to get sober, sparking a ripple of recovery and faith. Today, Kelsey is an intake coordinator at that same mission, meeting people at their lowest with understanding instead of judgment. Generational struggle, transformed into generational healing.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Welcome to Reformed and Real, where we take a journey with our people who have gotten out of prison and we talk about how the community really feels. My name is Mario Hernandez. I'm one of the afflicted people that got released to the community, and we're here to try and figure out how this looks.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

And I'm Wayne Burt, curious onlooker who wants to know about our prison system, get to know the stories beyond the stigma of incarceration. And because, like Mario, I believe all stories count.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Dang it, they actually do. They count. I keep bigger.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

It's not as though we keep saying it to keep believing it. We just already believed it. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome back. Thank you. It's been a long week. Has it? Yeah. Yeah. Felt like more than seven days? It felt like ten. You know, I've been burning the midnight oil myself, so I get it. Yeah. We ended a fun drive last week, and uh, you need recovery. Oh, yeah. Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. Gotta live the fun drive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

All right. Well, we have a special guest here today, and I'm gonna go ahead and let you introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Well, thanks for having me. It's you know, I'm passionate about telling people my story. I'm Kelsey Corvella. I'm from Boise, I'm from the Treasure Valley, and you know, just trying to walk out every day in my new life.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Awesome, awesome. Nice, nice. So you had an old life before the new life.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

I had an old life, long dead. Um so 21 years ago, I went to the Boise Rescue Mission, City Light New Life program, and everything changed from there. Before then, at age 18, I got one felony and I kept getting, you know, this writer, that writer, this time, you know, I just couldn't stay sober and get in trouble again. And, you know, fast forward to today, I'm no longer a felon. I've had my record expunged. You know, I get to go into the prisons every once a month and just tell the people, you know, how to find freedom and partner with them. So it's a blessing.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Yeah, that's great. So this is the second person we've heard of getting their record expunged. That's number two. Yep. Which is really great. Praise God. Were you so you struggled for quite some time? You got what was there a lead up to you getting your first felony at 18?

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Yeah, so I grew up, my parents were addicted. And so with that, I I didn't for me, it's been a uh Jesus in my heart. You know, that's kind of how it started with me getting freedom, but I grew up just knowing that lifestyle and and growing up in it, and I it I didn't really know any other way to live. That's how it started for me.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

So your parents uh they they were obviously the influencers, right? You say?

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Well, more they um were living that lifestyle, and so there wasn't any supervision. And then I feel like for me, there was this, you know, they didn't they loved that more than me. And what is it all about? Is it that great? You know, there was that for me, and I do hear that. So I'm the intake coordinator for women at Boise Rescue Mission Ministries, and I hear that from other young people that I serve. That for them, um, you know, there was this they love this more than me. I want to learn about it. And I do remember that feeling. My parents are both um in have been in recovery longer than me now, but um, they it just growing up that kind of edged me into that lifestyle.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

So that's actually kind of rare uh for you to be in recovery and have both your parents in recovery and successful at it.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

And my sister too. Oh, our whole family, our whole bloodline has been completely recovered and no one's looked back, and it's pretty phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

So Yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

How does it usually shake out? Usually one or two people stay addicted or go to prison. Uh what happened in our family is it's it's kind of the same. We were it was my dad, and uh my dad was addicted and in and out of prison up until this last year. Wow. Um, and my he's he just got out, I guess not last year, last month.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Um I've got a brother in prison. I've got another brother that's uh, you know, he's he's better now. He's he's not he doesn't use anymore, and uh, sister recovering from alcoholism. But we uh, you know, it's it's that's the story, right? You see it all the time where half of the families this and half of the families uh that, right? And and I think there's there's nothing wrong with that, it's just in the the way it is, but you're blessed.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

I'm blessed, amen.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Not to not focus on them, but um are were were you somewhat of an inspiration to them because you started recovery before they did?

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Actually, I think my dad was. So when I was 18 years old, I'd just gotten in trouble. My dad was also in Ada County jail. It's like, so anyway, they would let you have these family visits through glass back in the olden days. I'm 45 now, so this is a long time ago. I don't know how they do it now, but um, and my dad was so different. He was like, I'm telling you, I read the Bible and I found out that it's real and I've been saved, and you should look into it. And he just never wavered. He never wavered. He's been well ever since that was 25 years ago or more, 20 or 27 years ago. And I watched him just completely before that. He everything he said was a lie. Like I couldn't trust him. And after that, it was like he was so new that I said, you know what, I'm gonna look into this. I'm just gonna see what I can figure out. And so I got saved right after that. And then my mom got arrested, and she did quite a bit of time in another state, and she um contacted me and said, I found Christ in here, and she's been well ever since. And that was about 25 years ago. And my sister as well followed after that as well. And I did the new life program at City Light, and she did the Chrysalis Women's Recovery Program. And, you know, the Lord really stepped in. And when I was doing that program, God spoke to me and said that he was gonna save my bloodline, you know, and he really did. And I did a lot of, you know, Bible research on you know, generational curses, and and I I truly believe that he answered my prayers, and we're all serving people in our own way too. So it's pretty phenomenal.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

Awesome. Yeah, so do they uh um do they like you communicate with them? Do you live here in Boise? This is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Yeah, we're all really, really close. We have to see your mom here. Yeah, yeah. We spent a lot of time together. Um, my mom and my sister live in Cuna, and I live in Murdy, and my dad lives in Boise, but we're extremely close, and you know, it's it's it's miracles. It's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So yeah, you're you're very blessed. Very blessed, and uh I would add a little bit of luck on top of that too.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

Yeah, it's been it's been a really a miracle.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Yeah, ultimately a tight-knit family.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Yeah, we're really close. It's pretty fun.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Do you use um each other? That might not be the right word, but as as resources to keep each other strong, to keep focused on the day by day, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Definitely. Um, we all talk every day, you know, we're really close. I have kiddos, I have three. My sister doesn't have any, but we're all very involved with grandkids slash kiddos, clout, nieces, nephews. And so, I mean, we're very close. We we talk every day and we definitely spur each other on. My dad is extremely spiritual, and and so am I, and and especially the two of us. We're very I I'm every day trying to, you know, work in ministry. I'm also the children's program director. So I work with the kids at the mission, and um, you know, my dad really helps me, you know, just grow in Christ, that iron chypers iron, and my sister and my mom too, but my dad is kind of the spiritual backbone, I would say.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

So you got you found redemption inside of jail, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:41

It yes, actually, I got saved. You know, it's crazy. I so I had never heard about Christ um before my dad was talking about that. Like I had heard about like baby Jesus in the manger, and but nobody had ever approached me with the gospel. But I we were unapproachable as a family, I would say, especially me. I was very um what's the word? Um, kind of a loner and had my own vibe going on. Um, but so that happened with my dad, and then I got out right after that and was on probation, and I wandered into a random church, like right up here, actually, right behind here.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 8:19

And um, I sat up in the pews at the top of and it like I'd had a crazy weekend before that. It was Sunday, and I'm like, oh, just I gotta figure out what's going on. I can't live like this. And I walked into this random church and I sat into the balcony of the church, and the pastor stopped halfway through his sermon, and he said, I don't know where you're at in here or what's going on, but I cannot continue till you come get saved. And I'm like, oh, whoa, that's not happening. I'm not going down there. You know, I was like a little raver kid. I'm in my furry pants. I'm like, no, we're good. Um, and so I just kind of sat there and minded my own business, but I could feel like the Holy Spirit just propelling me down. And I came down and they laid hands on me. This was like uh, I'm not sure what kind of church it was, but I felt like the most crazy experience, like I like all the angels singing, like I was lifted off the ground. Like it was this really wild experience. And I said, okay, this is real. I don't know what that means for me. I don't know anything about what that means. And I still didn't really get clean at that point. I did some more time and stuff like that. I actually got baptized at PWCC, um, which was a very unique experience. And I it was a journey for me, you know. But then I heard about the New Life program at City Light, and I said, that's what I need. I need to really understand the Bible. So what it is is for an entire year, and it can take more than a year, but for a minimum of a year, you're set apart from everything. You don't work, you don't have a cell phone, you know, you're you're not, you don't use nicotine products, you don't have any romantic relationships, you have no outside relationships, other than family and in healthy friends, I guess. And you just focus on you and you unpack the entire New Testament and a lot of the old testament, and you everything you read, you write a summary and an application on what it meant, and it really taught me what I needed to know. And then there's really in-depth recovery work that goes alongside it. But the thing that I loved the most about the New Life program is it's service-based. So you don't work in the community, all your needs are provided, but you are serving the folks in our emergency shelter. We have 500 guests every night. And so you're mopping the floors, you're cooking the meals, you're praying for guests. And there was such a heart shift in me because there's no thank you, you know, especially for the programmers. You're not even allowed to talk to the guests, you're kind of set apart servants. And um I just I noticed a shift in me because I was the most selfish person and like very self-preservation and like just all the things that I'd gone through. I was very like worried about me. And so it really took me outside of myself. And that it was just the such a gift. And then your rescue family, this family that you receive that will never leave you nor forsake you, but will call you on your crap every day, you know, just this accountability team that's around you and this love that you find in the rescue family. And I guess that's what really helped me stay. I've never gone back, I've never had any trouble since. I got my gold still like 18 years ago. But um, you know, the Lord just he really used that one felony. You know, I never got in trouble again and everything, but he just was like, I can help you, you know, and he used it to like get me clean because I nearly killed myself, you know. And anyway, that's I guess how it went down.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

So so gold seal is when you uh finish your commitment to Idaho Department of Corrections.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

Yes, which God bless the Idaho Department of Corrections. I absolutely love them. I'm grateful to be able to pay tax dollars to the IDOC. I'm absolutely the biggest advocate of the IDOC. I think they're the Lord uses it every day, and I just I think they do a phenomenal job.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

We hear this, we hear this. That's a thing.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Enough to enough to begin to believe it. Yeah, yeah, they truly care. I I think that's kind of the um, I don't want to call it a complaint, but I think I try to bring people that understanding. Idol Department of Corrections is uh is the pool where they put people when they run them to the justice system. Uh and they have no control over, you know, uh uh how many people go there. Absolutely. They're supposed to be caretakers. And over the recent past, we all know that they have taken the helm of change. Uh absolutely they have helped people get better, and uh and it we're witnesses to that.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

Yeah, it's a different environment for sure.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Um so I would say God really used it to because I don't think if I wouldn't have had that person saying, okay, this is the alternative, I don't think I would have understood how destructive my lifestyle was, you know, and they have made a shift. I mean, there's a lot of respect there, but praise God, they're protecting the community. That's number one, you know, and we do need that. They needed to protect the community from me at the time as well. But they also, you know, and in a in the way they do it is so beautiful as well, because it starts with, here's your punishment, you know, you're kind of in this really bad place, and then you work your way towards release, and there's a lot of respect, but there is a lot of accountability, and there is a lot of, you know, I don't want to have to come back here again. You know, it's not supposed to be fun, you know. And they they just do a really beautiful job and the staff is phenomenal. A lot of people don't see it while they're there, but um, it's a gift and it's it was truly a gift.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

So yeah, not an easy balance to maintain, but they seem to balance those elements pretty well.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

They try, you know, and and there is always those situations, right? Um, but in the end, uh they go back to square one, which is like they're there to serve.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

So yeah, and they're there to protect the community.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Oh yeah, you know, your number one goal is uh protecting society, and uh the next goal is rehabilitation.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

And they do a really good job. Yeah, it's all about it.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

It feels like you're familiar enough with your story. I mean, everybody is, but you're also it feels like you're somewhat familiar with telling your story.

SPEAKER_03 14:08

Yeah, I get an opportunity to share a lot with my story. So with the kiddos that I serve, I've worked in, let's see, at the rescue mission, I worked in our emergency shelter, kids program, teen program, development events, all kinds of stuff. So I've had an opportunity to share and intake, I probably share it every day because I they call my cell phone and they're like, hey, I'm struggling, what do I do? And I can say, Hey, you can do it. I did it, you can, you know. So I share it a lot.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

So let let's let's back to that just a little bit. So uh we've heard you mention the Boise Rescue Mission a bunch of times. How did that happen and when?

SPEAKER_03 14:47

So that was 21 years ago that I showed up as a guest. I like I said, I'd heard about this program and I showed up. I had been released recently, like a month before or a few months before, and I was like, I need this program. I'm not, I don't have what it takes. I need more. I need a sheltered environment, I need structure to help me learn the word and truly, you know, find out how to rely on him because my own thinking was just not getting me where I needed to be. And so every night I left my apartment, I just left my house and checked in at the guest services every night and was like, Y'all ready for me to come upstairs now to the program? And I just worked and came in every night and bothered them. And about 30 days later, they're like, Your bed's ready, come on up, and you know, the rest is history. So that's how that happened.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

So, how'd you start working for them?

SPEAKER_03 15:37

So when I got done with the program, I went to college and um I got my degree in graphic design and computer science. So I'm in school and I'm working in the emergency shelter, um, you know, to because they would let me work graves and stuff like that, so I could still be in school. I I was in school eight hours a day. I was doing one of those accelerated college programs, and um, they let me work in the emergency shelter. I just fell in love with it. I just I just was like, oh, I just want to be here every day. And so when I graduated, I did some side work like that, but usually I just use it at the mission. Anything I learned, and I've been there ever since.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

So cool, cool. So um did were you looking for that, or did it just I mean, uh uh I mean that's kind of it's it's a strange thing to happen, right? For because it you're in graphic design, right? Well, that's what my degree was in, yeah. And where when you were going to the were you like finding there was a conflict, like, why am I here? Why am I in college?

SPEAKER_03 16:35

No, I enjoyed every minute of it. Um, I enjoyed every minute of it. So what happened was when I graduated, um, one of the local schools said, We want to give somebody a full ride scholarship. And it was 45 grand at the time to put someone through school, and they picked me and they were like, because I love art. And they're like, We think you'd be really good at this. We think it would bless you. I was young at the time, you know. I'm like, okay. And so I sat down with the dean, and the dean was like, You better do really good, or I won't give another one of these away. And I was like, All right, bro. And so I had straight A's all through college and finished well. But and I loved it. I loved every minute of it. I still get to use a ton of what I learn in different ways. Um, you know, most people aren't only about half the people are in the career they went to college for, you know. But I loved every minute of it. It was really fun. But I did a lot of my projects on the rescue mission, right? Like posters for the mission, like my story, like whatever, you know, all the things. And I just love it. I love working at the rescue mission.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

So, what was your first way in with the rescue mission? Yes, services.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

I worked in our emergency shelter for about five years. Gotcha. And then I transitioned into development or no kids programming, kids programming after that and teen group. And then um, and then I started working in development and events and still holding on to teen group and kids, you know, and I'm still in kids.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

So you found your your true calling and service work, right?

SPEAKER_03 17:57

I love it. It's so fun.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Tell me about one of your days. Like, what do you do in a day? I want to I want to know what you do.

SPEAKER_03 18:03

All right. Well, so today, um, we'll just start with today. So I woke up and today I was running the medically fragile line. So you get that logged into your phone, and anyone who we do have, so we have eight programs about, you know, um a lot of facilities, and we have a program for guests who are medically fragile, and there's a process to get into that. So I'm clocked into that, and I'm just there's a whole bunch of messages over the weekends. So I was dealing with that. And today we moved our kids' program building from one building to another. So we were moving all of that, and in the midst of that, I met with a new volunteer about the working in the front desk, and I did that. And you know, that was kind of the today, but every day is different at the rescue mission. You're never gonna be bored.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

You like the jack of all trades sort of aspect.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

Yeah, I do a lot of stuff. I wear a lot of hats at the mission just because I've done everything. I'm trying to give a few hats away.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

I'm trying to So what did you tell your new volunteer?

SPEAKER_03 18:58

Um, I just told her how much fun she's gonna have. She's gonna be at the front desk. It's like one day a week from 12 to 2 or something. She's gonna love it. She so the front desk person is really special because if she's not there, one of our programmers is there. Okay. So what that means is because she's there, they get to work on their pathwork. They get to dig into their trauma, they get to dig into the word, they get to, you know, spend time really healing, right? And so they also get an opportunity to mentor because said programmers are right there. Um, it's a unique volunteer opportunity, and she's gonna have a ton of fun and she's a really good fit for it.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Sweet. Yeah, that's great. What um, so what draws volunteers to that particular place?

SPEAKER_03 19:44

So we have thousands of volunteers every year. Um, so you can kind of volunteer in any way. Let's say you're good at building stuff, and you know, we are we need a lot of things in our new kids program building, and you want to help put together a garden or build cabinets, maybe you want to work at the front desk. A lot of people sort at the warehouse, which I know y'all know a lot about. I want to hear about that. Um, so you know, any gift talent or ability that you have, we can use to serve people at the rescue mission. Um, and so people are drawn because of the huge impact. Um, people who graduate new life recovery, 83% never return to their old life, which those are insane numbers right there. People want to be in that, you know. Um, also, you know, over about half of our guests are women and kiddos. A lot of people want to serve unhoused women and kiddos and partner with them. And we've been in the community for 67 years. So, you know, there's the results there, and people want to come down and and be a part of that and alleviate any cost by doing something that, you know, a staff member would have to do. And a lot of people are drawn to partnering with, you know, building care packs for our kids to go back to school, or there's so many ways to partner. So it just depends on what where they want to partner, I guess. Um, there's just so many different ways. We serve veterans, a very robust veterans program. Um, you know, maybe they want to donate gift cards for college road trip. We take all the teens in our shelter on a college road trip every year to a neighboring state. We tour all the local ones throughout the year. And then right now we load up in one week and head to Montana. So a lot of folks are donating gift cards for that right now, so they can have a meal or gas on the way. 14 teens on a long road trip through Montana. So please be praying for us. It's coming up. But we do um, so I mean, it just depends. I could just go on and on about all the opportunities to be involved.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

I have a question for you. So, you know, you have all this, you've been to prison, right? Because a rider is prison.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

I've done two riders and time.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

So that's Pocatello. Oh, so that prison and two riders, so prison three times.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

Yes, I have.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

So, you know, after all that, like um, and the road that you've been on. Um tell me, like, what do you do that satisfies you today? Because uh a part of change. Is like living a new life. So what do you do? Because I already know. I already know. I'm just asking you. I want you to tell my people back.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

I love to travel. I love to travel. I love to take my family places. I love to be in the mountains. I love to hike. I love to be outside. I I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't, you know, like it for me, I can't. I mean, I know people can, and I'm okay with that, but I cannot. So I do a lot of good, clean fun. I love to serve. I just, I love to serve. I love to feed people for some reason. I love to cook a meal for somebody who is hurting. I love to really like work hard at that and give them something I know they'll love. I really enjoy um playing with my kids. I have a teenager and two littles, even at my age, and I love to spend time with them and just play with them. I uh love to go to concerts. I love to go to plays. I love, I just love experiencing life and doing stuff. I um I love getting in my word. I love to serve at the rescue mission. I absolutely love it. I'm so blessed. I I just I believe in every program and I just want to, you know, I I have a lot of sense to atone for.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Yeah, we all do, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

And it's just my pleasure to to be able to serve. And it's a miracle that I'm sitting here today. It's an absolute miracle. And so anyway, I do a lot of fun stuff.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

I don't know. Daniel Zest of Life. No, yeah. And and if for anybody that doesn't know, she uh you're friends with Daniel Maddox. Absolutely. She works for us here.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

We used to know each other way back in when we I first got in trouble. She was getting in trouble.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

You're being bad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

She's such a she's just the zest of life too, though. She's so her spirit is beautiful, and um, she's always been that way.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So uh with all that, you know, you live a new life. Is there is is it is it can anybody get that? Like, because that's anybody can have there's people out there that are listening that might be like, yeah, you know, I tried that. Um it's there though, right?

SPEAKER_03 23:59

It's there, it's hard work. Yeah, I will say there's nothing easy about it. Um, but but I will say this like when I lay awake, right, future tripping or worrying about my teenager or whatever I'm doing, you know, or about a guest that just breaks your heart. I can, I truly do believe that God takes that burden from me. Like I can tell him, you know, I do not have to live in fear. I do not have to do this alone. It is too big for me. It is too hard. It is too hard. But with him, I can do it. And you know, he meets me there. I'll catch myself future tripping in the night. You know, about one of my guests. I also, we have a crisis pregnancy program that I do intake for, and some of it is so hard to hear. It's just so hard. And you know, you'll wake up, you'll lay awake, and and he this doesn't have to be my burden. You know, he's walked alongside me. Like, for me to be able to finish that program, it's a hard program. I mean, we're gonna look at everything, every behavior that didn't serve God. It's like, it is so hard, y'all. It's, I mean, but I didn't have to do it alone. And he was my strength when I wanted to leave, you know, he was my strength so that I finished well. And, you know, you can finish well too. And if you need help, reach out to call City Light. They'll give you my cell phone number. I will walk you through the process. It's all here. It is the hardest thing you'll ever do. But the new life program is the grandest adventure you'll ever go on. You know, every day your needs are provided by God, like tangibly, not even just like we all are, but but like I remember one story in particular. So every morning at 5 a.m. when I did my program, it's not as strict now, but it's still really strict. So don't get me wrong. But but at five a more 5 a.m. Monday through Friday, we would meet and we would pray for what we needed in the house. And I remember one time we didn't have any cereal or milk for the kids. So we just started, I mean, we had other stuff. We're like, it'll be fine, but let's pray. So we started praying, and I was like praying for cereal milk. And I was like, God, I've really wanted some fruity pebbles and some cinnamon toast crunch. I mean, I'm like a young kid of this, I'm like just in my early 20s. And I'm like, you know, if you could swing it, that'd be cool. And right then somebody rang the doorbell and they had cereal and it was cinnamon toast crunch and fruity pebbles. And to the for even to this day, they'll be like, Kelsey, I need you to pray about something. I'm like, you got the direct line too. But because they all witnessed that really weird prayer be answered, they were like, girl, get over here. I need some prayer.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

But um the code word is fruity pebbles.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

Yeah, the code word is always fruity pebbles, by the way. But um, you know, I just have so many great, great times that he showed up to for me, like just to prove how real he is, so that I don't have to ever doubt, you know. Kind of like when I got saved in that really weird way that none of the teens that I work with, I always say, gosh, I wish they would get saved in that way where I could never deny it, you know? And um, you know, he just did so many things for me so that I can be confident in his faithfulness.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Well, good. Well said, well said. Uh well, you know, we've we've had a pretty good conversation. I appreciate you coming here. I do have one more question. Do you have anything that you want to, you know, one blast burning desire you want to tell people out there? There's people out there that are listening that are addicts still in in uh addiction, families of uh addicts, people in prison, families of people in prison. Like what's important?

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Call me at City Light, you know. Um, if you need a meal, if you have a family member who's struggling, you know, when I go speak at the prison, I always say, we can partner with your loved ones out here too. You know, call me. I'm if I know where the resources are if they aren't with us, but we have what you need. You know, I'd love to partner with you and help you find that next step to your freedom or your family members.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

All right. Kelsey well said, and uh you guys heard it from her. Uh, we really appreciate you here.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Uh thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Yeah, it's been a great conversation. Uh, we've got a lot squeezed into that little 30 minutes. Yeah, I talk a little bit faster than I should. I apologize. Oh no, it's awesome. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

They'll have to slow it down to actually hear what I said.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Great and dense 30 minutes. Yeah, a good 30 minutes. We got a lot of it. And uh uh, all right, Wayne. Uh we uh Yeah, another one in the books.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Yeah, another one in the books.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Kelsey, thanks for coming in. Very nice to meet you.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Yep. And we'll be back next week, huh? Yep, next week.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Have a good have a good week.